Pacifica and iED has been maligned so easily on Indymedia. What is going on here ?

"Wow, some [ article of which this is a comment to ] tinged with angry
words [t]here ...but where are the substantiating sources for that info ?"

[= no references, no apparent fact checking noted in article, so is th is just another smear campaign? And why is this written anyhow ? & why now ? ]

Thursday, Oct. 08, 2009

reposted here from http://la.indymedia.org/news/2009/10/230955_comment.php#230978

these are some quotes of much written above to address here : [snipped from much more malignments and claims that remain unsubstantiated in that article ]


"Under the revised governance structure and byelaw changes, a small number of listener-subscribers and staff elect biannually a 25 member Local Station Board. The logic of such “democracy” entails a tiny fraction of listeners electing a board with a great deal of power."


"...led by an unwilling reject of the Church of Scientology,"


"Since Aaron’s cabal has come to power, the financial situation has markedly deteriorated."


"...these positions have mostly gone to board cronies without even a pro forma gesture towards open hiring"


"Notwithstanding elements of farce and a descent into snake oil peddling, there is an enormous amount at stake in the struggle for the soul of Pacifica."


So here are our Questions and concerns from that article [too long to be reproduced here, but can seen on link above - that also contains others' comments as well ] :


" electing a board with a great deal of power."


There has been a big to-do about the LSB, getting voted on, or who gets to represent [no one anyone can name as] a legitimate KPFK group, and hoping to affect the programming or get a program of one's very own...


but it has also been questioned just how much "power" is given or available to the whole LSB, and how ineffective that group is, maybe mostly because of the intense factionalization, continual distractions, the rebellious outbursts that often interrupt any work presented. And all theo bstructions that keep it's own members from provoking dramas for their own image making rather than dedicating their energies to producing benefits for the station and it's management.


So the question of how "powerful" other than in name is to be explored, investigated and surely questioned seriously.


Then repeated references to the iED Aaron attempting to malign her by some extraneous label and describe her work as "led by an unwilling reject of the Church of Scientology". Does this mean she is not even qualified for that unpopular organization and it's believers ? Or that if she is a Scientologist, she certainly cannot belong or be rational and effective working for the stations ?


Or what does that reference intend anyhow ? And who is going to verify that this is current, or what the prior circumstances of her life was that now makes her unqualified or inept ?


Another great declaration: " Since Aaron’s cabal has come to power, the financial situation has markedly deteriorated."


Who has determined that she is in any way a cause or contributor to Pacifica's continual money troubles and not a solver or working to improve that forever-impoverished condition ? And is the word "cabal" a negative implication or a description of whom and what ? It appears to be another attempt to demean, discredit and allude to Ms. Aaron's person and colleagues also.


Is that statement verified somewhere that was not included in the historical article above ? Does the public information of the financial condition mean it is to be kept secret from it's stakeholders and those concerned about the stations' stability ?


Or does this big implication only mean that the iED has so much power now, more than any ED just prior to her becoming a temporary one, that she alone can make and break Pacifica's banks? Huh ? Explain please, with actual direct causal facts, not just hearsay and rumor or deliberate malignments.


Let's get real here. Indymedia is hopefully not just a place to vent and rant and rage and hope someone else might agree and then act in your behalf.


Another statement : "these positions have mostly gone to board cronies without even a pro forma gesture towards open hiring"
Can this be shown, proved, verified ?
What are the rules for open-hiring at Pacifica ?
What does a manager do when there is no one yet visible who is qualified or hire-able permantly and the work needs to be done ?
Use a temp agency maybe ?
Or put up an ad on Monster Board ?
Or find someone to fill in until all can be done properly, knowing everyone who is not "in" will accuse and complain for sure, and loudly so.


The competition for any of these stressful positions is strong, and the in-fighting with accompanying stress must surely deter many qualified individuals from joining such wildly buffeted organizations.


And while there is much more to question and answer for above, this quote : "notwithstanding elements of farce and a descent into snake oil peddling, there is an enormous amount at stake in the struggle for the soul of Pacifica."


So where can one find the "soul" of a non-profit NGO like Pacifica ?

How did a soul [however defined even in Wiki if need be] ever get into such a changing of leadership corporation ?

And how did it then evaporate or escape from it's cubby hole?


And the farce that is an eternal Pacifica drama - yes, that many enjoy without even paying their pledges to support this theater of the absurd- continues.


Here some of us agree that "farce.... struggle... " are more useful descriptions, meaning there is more drama and theatrics than actual working towards a goal in LSB and maybe other board or committee meetings. Many love and make provocations and shout-matches to produce these intense and involving theatrical experience.


Just like the old Greek dramas but in an odder modern version with ' any minority defined as victim to get an immediate defense' and so the next power-struggle for poorest victim to be saved' forms the basis for the next diversion from managing business that must get done.


To be sure, the battle for Pacifica is being fought on a ground not of our own choosing. The entire landscape of internal communications , in Pacifica and it's station, and from the author above, needs to be clarified, and made more factual. Or else everything said and written must be contested and questioned.


Some phrases above are well said and there is some agreement about the concerns of how and by whom all is handled.


Oh, yes, and thanks to author for not being hidden behind a pseudo-name, tho some of us who live locally and try to help affect and improve our local Pacifica station do NOT TRUST the individuals who fractionalize and vent and act-out in some angry ways those who do not just 'agree' and defer to their righteous views. [self-righteous to enhance some demanding very smart people who dedicate enormous amounts of time and energy to doing something for or against their preferred station


(c) 2009 akpfker

Pacifica and iED has been maligned so easily on Indymedia. What is going on here ?

"Wow, some [ article of which this is a comment to ] tinged with angry

words [t]here ...but where are the substantiating sources for that info ?"

[= no references, no apparent fact checking noted in article, so is th is just another smear campaign? And why is this written anyhow ? & why now ? ]

Thursday, Oct. 08, 2009

reposted here from http://la.indymedia.org/news/2009/10/230955_comment.php#230978

these are some quotes of much written above to address here : [snipped from much more malignments and claims that remain unsubstantiated in that article ]


"Under the revised governance structure and byelaw changes, a small number of listener-subscribers and staff elect biannually a 25 member Local Station Board. The logic of such “democracy” entails a tiny fraction of listeners electing a board with a great deal of power."


"...led by an unwilling reject of the Church of Scientology,"


"Since Aaron’s cabal has come to power, the financial situation has markedly deteriorated."


"...these positions have mostly gone to board cronies without even a pro forma gesture towards open hiring"


"Notwithstanding elements of farce and a descent into snake oil peddling, there is an enormous amount at stake in the struggle for the soul of Pacifica."


So here are our Questions and concerns from that article [too long to be reproduced here, but can seen on link above - that also contains others' comments as well ] :


" electing a board with a great deal of power."


There has been a big to-do about the LSB, getting voted on, or who gets to represent [no one anyone can name as] a legitimate KPFK group, and hoping to affect the programming or get a program of one's very own...


but it has also been questioned just how much "power" is given or available to the whole LSB, and how ineffective that group is, maybe mostly because of the intense factionalization, continual distractions, the rebellious outbursts that often interrupt any work presented. And all theo bstructions that keep it's own members from provoking dramas for their own image making rather than dedicating their energies to producing benefits for the station and it's management.


So the question of how "powerful" other than in name is to be explored, investigated and surely questioned seriously.


Then repeated references to the iED Aaron attempting to malign her by some extraneous label and describe her work as "led by an unwilling reject of the Church of Scientology". Does this mean she is not even qualified for that unpopular organization and it's believers ? Or that if she is a Scientologist, she certainly cannot belong or be rational and effective working for the stations ?


Or what does that reference intend anyhow ? And who is going to verify that this is current, or what the prior circumstances of her life was that now makes her unqualified or inept ?


Another great declaration: " Since Aaron’s cabal has come to power, the financial situation has markedly deteriorated."


Who has determined that she is in any way a cause or contributor to Pacifica's continual money troubles and not a solver or working to improve that forever-impoverished condition ? And is the word "cabal" a negative implication or a description of whom and what ? It appears to be another attempt to demean, discredit and allude to Ms. Aaron's person and colleagues also.


Is that statement verified somewhere that was not included in the historical article above ? Does the public information of the financial condition mean it is to be kept secret from it's stakeholders and those concerned about the stations' stability ?


Or does this big implication only mean that the iED has so much power now, more than any ED just prior to her becoming a temporary one, that she alone can make and break Pacifica's banks? Huh ? Explain please, with actual direct causal facts, not just hearsay and rumor or deliberate malignments.


Let's get real here. Indymedia is hopefully not just a place to vent and rant and rage and hope someone else might agree and then act in your behalf.


Another statement : "these positions have mostly gone to board cronies without even a pro forma gesture towards open hiring"
Can this be shown, proved, verified ?
What are the rules for open-hiring at Pacifica ?
What does a manager do when there is no one yet visible who is qualified or hire-able permantly and the work needs to be done ?
Use a temp agency maybe ?
Or put up an ad on Monster Board ?
Or find someone to fill in until all can be done properly, knowing everyone who is not "in" will accuse and complain for sure, and loudly so.


The competition for any of these stressful positions is strong, and the in-fighting with accompanying stress must surely deter many qualified individuals from joining such wildly buffeted organizations.


And while there is much more to question and answer for above, this quote : "notwithstanding elements of farce and a descent into snake oil peddling, there is an enormous amount at stake in the struggle for the soul of Pacifica."


So where can one find the "soul" of a non-profit NGO like Pacifica ?

How did a soul [however defined even in Wiki if need be] ever get into such a changing of leadership corporation ?

And how did it then evaporate or escape from it's cubby hole?


And the farce that is an eternal Pacifica drama - yes, that many enjoy without even paying their pledges to support this theater of the absurd- continues.


Here some of us agree that "farce.... struggle... " are more useful descriptions, meaning there is more drama and theatrics than actual working towards a goal in LSB and maybe other board or committee meetings. Many love and make provocations and shout-matches to produce these intense and involving theatrical experience.


Just like the old Greek dramas but in an odder modern version with ' any minority defined as victim to get an immediate defense' and so the next power-struggle for poorest victim to be saved' forms the basis for the next diversion from managing business that must get done.


To be sure, the battle for Pacifica is being fought on a ground not of our own choosing. The entire landscape of internal communications , in Pacifica and it's station, and from the author above, needs to be clarified, and made more factual. Or else everything said and written must be contested and questioned.


Some phrases above are well said and there is some agreement about the concerns of how and by whom all is handled.


Oh, yes, and thanks to author for not being hidden behind a pseudo-name, tho some of us who live locally and try to help affect and improve our local Pacifica station do NOT TRUST the individuals who fractionalize and vent and act-out in some angry ways those who do not just 'agree' and defer to their righteous views. [self-righteous to enhance some demanding very smart people who dedicate enormous amounts of time and energy to doing something for or against their preferred station


(c) 2009 akpfker

Harvest Moon is Shiny Energized Synchronous Time

to all my October 2009 mooney friends,
[written at 4:30 AM, unexpectedly on full moon night time ]


I know for sure the moon's expansive phase affects some of us more than others, Some sleep more fitfully, being inwardly energized. Others get into fights and arguments and dont understand they are maybe also affected.

the ocean tides and fish and other animals KNOW they respond to the natural forces of Our Universe, as we are it, not just part. It allll is us and we are it, as we are body and mind and more, not a "me" inhabiting these forms.


I heard tell that we are having a Harvest Moon, it looking fuller for a few days, not just one...this Oct season...not a common happening. So enjoy it, dont be howling too loudly or others will know for sure who you really are and flow with this enhanced ENERGY and electricity + magnetism + whatever more emerges with the emissions connecting with our own forces and beings.

hard to put words to what science cannot clearly come to agreement is happening, when some want to deny all that is not commercial or man-made. Yet some are less aware, not very sensitive, and in denial

while others, like you must be to be connected to me as you ARE,
must be intuitive,
sensitive,
alert
and OPEN to more of what we all are,
contain,
connect with,
and use to live our magical lives.
together.

enjoy

see for good info below site:
http://www.almanac.com/ecards/moon

Judge says CIA can cover up destruction of CIA interrogation tapes * 911 investigations

Reposting from : The Associated Press Friday, October 2nd, 2009 NEW YORK

A judge cited national security concerns in ruling Wednesday that the CIA does not have to release hundreds of documents related to the destruction of videotapes of Sept. 11 detainee interrogations that used harsh methods. U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein said he believed he had an obligation to let the CIA director decide what should be released when it pertains to methods used to make uncooperative detainees divulge information.

"The need to keep confidential just how the CIA and other government agencies obtained their information is manifest, and that has to do with the identities of the people who gave information and who were questioned to obtain information," the judge said from the bench.

He ruled after reviewing in private 65 of roughly 580 documents sought by the American Civil Liberties Union, including 53 field reports to CIA headquarters about interrogations. An ACLU lawsuit already has forced the release of legal memos authorizing harsh methods, including waterboarding, a type of simulated drowning, and slamming suspects into walls, techniques described by critics as torture.

The judge said he expects to order the release of six pages of written notes from a CIA field officer who spoke about the interrogation videotapes with a CIA lawyer, but he gave the government two weeks to submit new arguments opposing the release. He said it was only important that he decide whether the issue before him was a fit subject for intelligence gathering, not whether it was legal "If so, my job is to defer to the extent appropriate — and that is substantial — to the decision of the director of the CIA," he said.

CIA Director Leon Panetta had told the judge in court papers that releasing documents about the agency's terror interrogations would gravely damage national security. NY judge: CIA can keep 9/11 videotape info secret - NY judge says he wouldn't have ordered release of destroyed 9/11 interrogation videos by ....AP News Sep 30, 200 .....A judge cited national security concerns in ruling Wednesday that the CIA does not have to release hundreds of documents related to the destruction of videotapes of Sept. 11 detainee interrogations that used harsh methods.

U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein said he believed he had an obligation to let the CIA director decide what should be released when it pertains to methods used to make uncooperative detainees divulge information. "The need to keep confidential just how the CIA and other government agencies obtained their information is manifest, and that has to do with the identities of the people who gave information and who were questioned to obtain information," the judge said from the bench.

He ruled after reviewing in private 65 of roughly 580 documents sought by the American Civil Liberties Union, including 53 field reports to CIA headquarters about interrogations. An ACLU lawsuit already has forced the release of legal memos authorizing harsh methods, including waterboarding, a type of simulated drowning, and slamming suspects into walls, techniques described by critics as torture.

The judge said he expects to order the release of six pages of written notes from a CIA field officer who spoke about the interrogation videotapes with a CIA lawyer, but he gave the government two weeks to submit new arguments opposing the release. He said it was only important that he decide whether the issue before him was a fit subject for intelligence gathering, not whether it was legal. "If so, my job is to defer to the extent appropriate — and that is substantial — to the decision of the director of the CIA," he said.

CIA Director Leon Panetta had told the judge in court papers that releasing documents about the agency's terror interrogations would gravely damage national security. The judge said he believes he would have used the same rationale to rule against public disclosure of the videotapes documenting new harsh questioning techniques if the CIA had not destroyed them in 2005.

A criminal investigation into why the videotapes were destroyed continues. The judge, who presides over thousands of lawsuits filed after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, said he reached his conclusions in the CIA case after more "agony of decision-making" than any other area he has ruled upon. He said he studied earlier judicial rulings and concluded "there has been a reluctance on the part of the courts to interfere with the discretion conferred by the mandate of the statutes on the CIA."

The judge, though, said that the CIA has to obey laws, and he cautioned: "We have to square what we do in the gathering of intelligence with who we are as a people." ACLU lawyer Alex Abdo, who argued in the Freedom of Information Act case, said he was disappointed. "We were surprised at the level of deference to continue to maintain the secrecy of a program the president himself has declassified," Abdo said.

"This is a new level of deference to the CIA's decision to withhold information about an interrogation program the whole world knows about." He said the ACLU would review its options before deciding whether to appeal. Government lawyer Sean Lane declined to comment.

The government has said 92 videotapes were destroyed, including interrogations of al-Qaida lieutenant Abu Zubaydah and another al-Qaida leader. The destruction was revealed nearly two years ago. The administration of President George W. Bush had said some tapes were destroyed to protect the identities of the government questioners while the Department of Justice was debating whether the interrogation tactics were legal.

Source: AP News

Full Moon comes to us with gifts of openness and energy, unbidden

dear moony friends,
[written at 4:30 AM, unexpectedly on full moon night time ]


I know for sure the moon's expansive phase affects some of us more than others, Some sleep more fitfully, being inwardly energized. Others get into fights and arguments and dont understand they are maybe also affected.


the ocean tides and fish and other animals KNOW they respond to the natural forces of Our Universe, as we are it, not just part. It allll is us and we are it, as we are body and mind and more, not a "me" inhabiting these forms.


so I borrowed this image from an online source, to not share you address elsewhere [free cards mean they have more info to sell to others ].


I heard tell that we are having a Harvest Moon, it looking fuller for a few days, not just one...this Oct season...not a common happening. So enjoy


it, dont be howling too loudly or others will know for sure who you really are and flow with this enhanced ENERGY and electricity +magnetism +whatever more emerges with the emissions connecting with our own forces and beings.


hard to put words to what science cannot clearly come to agreement is happening, when some want to deny all that is not commercial or man-made. Yet some are less aware, not very sensitive, and in denial,


while others, like you , must be to be connected because you ARE already probably ...to be reading this means you have made a connection with intention, to learn, to see, to find more... so you may also be intuitive, sensitive, alert and OPEN to more of what we all are, contain, connect with, and use to live our magical lives.


together.

enjoy

see : http://www.almanac.com/ecards/moon
there you can select your own full moon image of your choice....
and honor all that this planet implies, not only in imagination
but in our surprising realities too.


and always remember :

"No one outside ourselves can rule us inwardly. When we know this we become free. FEAR is always an anticipation of what has NOT yet come.

(c) maryjanie 2009

Racism screams but has little to say, anywhere anytime....

Racism screams but has little to say

[this was written by someone, in response to yet another claim of racial discrimination in a national NGO - when people of color are moved, removed, shifted, or changed, for reasons other than their external appearance]

From an article in la.indymedia : this is quoted from above "simply because you replaced fired people of color with people of color means you can't be, or be called, racist is shocking. The fact is it does not matter what the color of the person is you replace a fired person of color with. The firing itself for racially motivated reasons is illegal irrespective of any subsequent actions.

[snip]... ignores the fact that [NGO]ʼs attorney at the time of the firings warned the [NGO's] Board against those summary firings precisely on the basis that it exposed the network to possible charges of racial discrimination"

if all the reasons for any employment or election moves are all based on colors of any kind, what else could arouse more easy-to-identify loud accusations of "discrimination !!!"....repeatedly.

it has been noticed in many other areas as well as Pacifica that the only two races in USA that have any say are "black" [of varied hues} and "whites" [ actually pinks and of varied hues]...no one else need apply.

Checking census data though....interesting as it may be to ignore...[ see this site re census data : http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html ]
"...As of July 1, 2007, the estimated population of black residents in the United States, including those of more than one race. They made up 13.5 percent of the total U.S. population..."

but from all the accusations vehemently made repeatedly in that article , as any place else also, the black population appears to be at least 49-1/2% or more when demanding not only inclusion, but insisting on being part of every single group or event.

The entitlement of 13.5% pretending to be 3X that number in this USA makes for questionable basis for representations righteously claimed as entitlements.

Not that blacks should be invisible or fired or replaced, but the claims of racial discrimination keep making the news and loudly and repeatedly, and the numbers just dont give that claim validity.

Why are not hispanics who may have arrived [back again] to these lands claiming they are 65% when they too are only about 16% of the USA total [see census data on URL below ]

Now ....if anyone is talking about individual people, with talents, skills, experience in this work, with managerial abilities, with good personalities that can accomplish more than another of the same type, that is different.

But if race is the constant and main factor of every dispute, there is something skewed happening, not just in Pacifica, but in the USA and it's media too.

so the article writer [above] focuses, as usual, on the same easy-to-repeat and easy-to-claim but not prove story: race matters more than anything else.

what is wrong with this picture?

it contains no colors, black and white are not colors, but absence of color and all colors make white or blankness...

can we get past this same framework and talk about real people and what they have done, can do, will do, promise to do, and can prove it too ?

Then [that NGO] will be setting a progressive and novel scene of how we run our business and our stations. Otherwise, the same old same old accusations and demands are not going to do more than going to war in some other land does for us all.

death to old ways of thinking and repeating.

growth to formulating human examination and humane selections for jobs, programers, and board members. Wouldnt it be good to move on by now ? huh ?

but who will allow this to happen...easier to use the old bludgeoning words, weapons and never think past the old versions of who we thought we were...back so very long ago...

ugh

quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

(c) 2009