Me with my friends

Me with my friends

Saturday, August 30, 2008

What a police state have 'we' created? very scary, kinda expected, & horrified.,

“If everyone is not yet doing so, and I presume you are, reposting revealing this information everywhere quickly - this will assist those who want to share in the freedom to speak, as only lots of exposure can help abuse from proliferating in the shadows.

I just reposted GG's article on for Los Angeles, plus another blog or two. Congressional Letter- writing is less effective than this blaring openly & loudly everywhere discriminately - to be sure nothing can be 'overlooked' or 'denied' or ignored. And if any facts are later not so exactly reported by high-funded corp-medias later, it dont matter none, as the cry has already been delivered - been screamed into this catcher's net.

Thanks to all who provide us this hidden view of the *fear* that the police, their owners and buyers, and the convention-business owners must have -for them to attempt such harsh tactics.[and probably illegal ]

Thanks to Glenn and all those who further comment on this, as each exposed e-letter adds to the pile to make the story further visible- and there are more than devoted Saloner types. I hope each person also sends their own letter to all their contacts as "info" with pride and to encourage more open speak-up-and-out.

Yep, dump that old TV and the fake movies that pretend this US of Anger & Intimidation is laughing and smiling and just selling stuff. This place is the preferred instantaneous resource - it is my lifeline now. no need for digitalizing TV more, just give us the truth as you know this net.

When we activists are pressured, we react in BOTH ways - we get scared but we also get reactive and rebellious, so the Powerful use of hard tactics also have strong unintended consequences-- we just get braver, angrier and more active in some other ways - not just cringe, crawl, cry or vote. yep. gotta. If everyone is not yet doing so, I presume you are, reposting this information everywhere quickly will assist as only exposure can help abuse from proliferating in the shadows.

I just reposted article on for Los Angeles, plus another blog or two. Letter writing is less effective than blaring openly & loudly indiscriminately to be sure nothing can be 'overlooked' or 'denied' or ignored. And if any facts are not exactly so reported by high-funded corp medias later, it dont matter none as the cry has be screamed into this catcher's net.

Thanks to all who provide this view of the fear that the police, their owners and buyers, and the convention-business owners must have to attempt such harsh tactics.

Thanks to Glenn and all who comment on this, as each letter adds to the pile to make it visible further than devoted Saloner types.

Yep, dump that old TV and the fake movies that pretend this US of Anger & Intimidation is laughing and smiling and just selling stuff. This instantaneous resource is my lifeline now. no need for digitalizing more, just give us the truth as you know it.

When we activists are pressured, we react in BOTH ways - get scared but also get reactive and rebellious, so the over-powered use hard tactics they also have strong unintended consequences, we get braver and active in some other ways than just cringe, crawl, cry or vote. yep. gotta.”


(C) maryjanie 2008

A dangerous country USA - Minn. protestors intimidated already

A dangerous country USA - Minn. protestors intimidated already

This is reposted from to insure all in LA also become aware of the dangers of "planning to protest" in this US of Anger and Intimidation. Now for out !!!
original posting at:

by "Glenn Greenwald Saturday Aug. 30, 2008 12:44 EDT

Massive police raids on suspected protestors in Minneapolis

Protesters here in Minneapolis have been targeted by a series of highly intimidating, sweeping police raids across the city, involving teams of 25-30 officers in riot gear, with semi-automatic weapons drawn, entering homes of those suspected of planning protests, handcuffing and forcing them to lay on the floor, while law enforcement officers searched the homes, seizing computers, journals, and political pamphlets.

Last night, members of the St. Paul police department and the Ramsey County sheriff's department handcuffed, photographed and detained dozens of people meeting at a public venue to plan a demonstration, charging them with no crime other than "fire code violations," and early this morning, the Sheriff's department sent teams of officers into at least four Minneapolis area homes where suspected protesters were staying.

Jane Hamsher and I were at two of those homes this morning -- one which had just been raided and one which was in the process of being raided. Each of the raided houses is known by neighbors as a "hippie house," where 5-10 college-aged individuals live in a communal setting, and everyone we spoke with said that there had never been any problems of any kind in those houses, that they were filled with "peaceful kids" who are politically active but entirely unthreatening and friendly.

Posted below is the video of the scene, including various interviews, which convey a very clear sense of what is actually going on here.

In the house that had just been raided, those inside described how a team of roughly 25 officers had barged into their homes with masks and black swat gear, holding large semi-automatic rifles, and ordered them to lie on the floor, where they were handcuffed and ordered not to move. The officers refused to state why they were there and, until the very end, refused to show whether they had a search warrant.

They were forced to remain on the floor for 45 minutes while the officers took away the laptops, computers, individual journals, and political materials kept in the house. One of the individuals renting the house, an 18-year-old woman, was extremely shaken as she and others described how the officers were deliberately making intimidating statements such as "Do you have Terminator ready?" as they lay on the floor in handcuffs.

The 10 or so individuals in the house all said that though they found the experience very jarring, they still intended to protest against the GOP Convention, and several said that being subjected to raids of that sort made them more emboldened than ever to do so.

Several of those who were arrested are being represented by Bruce Nestor, the President of the Minnesota chapter of the National Lawyers' Guild. Nestor said that last night's raid involved a meeting of a group calling itself the "RNC Welcoming Committee", and that this morning's raids appeared to target members of "Food Not Bombs," which he described as an anti-war, anti-authoritarian protest group.

There was not a single act of violence or illegality that has taken place, Nestor said. Instead, the raids were purely anticipatory in nature, and clearly designed to frighten people contemplating taking part in any unauthorized protests.

Nestor indicated that only 2 or 3 of the 50 individuals who were handcuffed this morning at the 2 houses were actually arrested and charged with a crime, and the crime they were charged with is "conspiracy to commit riot." Nestor, who has practiced law in Minnesota for many years, said that he had never before heard of that statute being used for anything, and that its parameters are so self-evidently vague, designed to allow pre-emeptive arrests of those who are peacefully protesting, that it is almost certainly unconstitutional, though because it had never been invoked (until now), its constitutionality had not been tested.

There is clearly an intent on the part of law enforcement authorities here to engage in extreme and highly intimidating raids against those who are planning to protest the Convention. The DNC in Denver was the site of several quite ugly incidents where law enforcement acted on behalf of Democratic Party officials and the corporate elite that funded the Convention to keep the media and protesters from doing anything remotely off-script.

But the massive and plainly excessive preemptive police raids in Minnesota are of a different order altogether. Targeting people with automatic-weapons-carrying SWAT teams and mass raids in their homes, who are suspected of nothing more than planning dissident political protests at a political convention and who have engaged in no illegal activity whatsoever, is about as redolent of the worst tactics of a police state as can be imagined.

UPDATE: Here is the first of the videos [see original website] , from the house that had just been raided:

Jane Hamsher has more here, and The Minnesota Independent has a report on another one of the raided houses, here. [see original website]

UPDATE II: Here is the video we took from the second house as the raid was occurring. We were barred from entering but spoke with neighbors outside as well as with Bruce Nestor, the President of the Minnesota Lawyer's Guild, regarding these raids: [see original website]

Over at FDL, Lindsay Beyerstein spoke with the property owner whose house -- the fourth one we now know of -- was being raided while the raid was in progress, and Lindsay has details here ("About an hour and a half ago 20 to 30 heavily armed police officers surrounded the house. One of my roommates said 'I want to see a warrant' and she was immediately detained").

Meanwhile, [**} Indy Media {**} of Twin Cities -- an association of independent journalists in the area -- just told me that several of their journalists have been detained while trying to cover these raids. Their site, with ongoing updates, is here.

The Uptake also has several reports of the various raids, including video of the raid at the property whose owner Bernstein spoke with as the raid occurred. That video includes an interview with a lawyer from the National Lawyer's Guild who was detained and put in handcufffs, explaining that the surrounded house is one where various journalists are staying.

Additionally, a photojournalist with Democracy Now was detained at that house as well. So, both journalists and lawyers -- in addition to protesters -- have been detained and arrested even though not a single violent or criminal act has occurred.

UPDATE III: FDL has the transcript of part of my discussion about these raids with the National Lawyer Guild's Minnesota President -- here. [see original website]

The Uptake has this amazing video interview with the Democracy Now producer who was detained today. As the DN producer explains, she was present at a meeting of a group called "I-Witness" -- which videotaped police behavior at the 2004 GOP Convention in New York and helped get charges dismissed against hundreds of protesters who were arrested. The police surrounded the St. Paul house where they were meeting even though they had no warrant, told them that anyone who exited the house would be arrested, and then -- even though they finally, after several hours, obtained a warrant only for the house next door -- basically broke into the house, pointed weapons at everyone inside, handcuffed them, searched the house, and then left.

[see original website] Here is a blog post from one of the members of I-Witness asking for help during the time when they were forced to stay inside the house (see the second post -- it reads like a note from a hostage crying out for help). This is truly repugnant, extreme police behavior designed to intimidate protesters, police critics and others, and it ought to infuriate anyone and everyone who cares about basic liberties.

-- Glenn Greenwald "

(C) maryjanie 2008

Wednesday, August 6, 2008

Hate needs to be known,not hidden

A flag is only symbolic.

A book is paper and only is a symbol with words and maybe some meanings. Some one or group Decrees that every and anything referring to their group/ religion/ nation/ heroes must be venerated. That creates false worshipping of things. The things are used to point to a meaning or source. The things are NOT that meaning or source. They are referents or pointers or symbols, only.

To make these things venerable and holy is a false pretense, a false god, not a nation-state. In the form of products and objects, they are are worshipped as if they were holy or special. They are just things, representations, and they do not HOLD anything more than what a person attributes to that thing, or does not.

The flag stomper or spitter is giving meaning to a piece of colored fabric too. But it is not more a fabric. Even if the intention is to make it more dramatic. A very few products of ancient beauty or heritage may accrue more value than every flag/book made/ printed/ in China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, India, or the cheapest global producer. To take every act that one person or group decides it is "insulting" or label that act as "HATE full" hate-speech, hate-act, hate-hate, whatever, that needs to be Acknowledged. Perhaps someone can make an apology if done sincerely, even for another, but the rest of us do not need to be protected from knowing the ways people express their anger and resentment for another person, religion, or another group.

Censorship is to protect.

We do not need to be protected - as we are educated [enough to read ] responsible reading adults, who have chosen to come to THIS INDEPENDENT SITE.

To make statements that say Indymedia doesnt endorse something shown or written but will limit it's appearance here for only a certain time is still a form of censorship but not an instant shock reaction to anything that is disliked, or to 'save' someone who then yells loudly "I am a victim here and some people hate me/us !!!" You do not need to protect them from knowing that others do not like or agree with them.

We do not need to do the job of monitoring every crazy person's words or every angry group's attitude or every prejudiced groups' rebellions and displays. There may be at least a "kernel of truth" in what is said, shown, and there may need to be some other education, negotiation, realization, or whatever that comes from knowing such strong feelings or provocations exist.

Media is to report and make known what is happening. Hate Happens.

just as Caring Happens, Shit happens, Magic happens, and accidents happen. Wars happen. Flags burn or get stepped on. People spit on the street and each other faces or feet, to make a point. A dirty one to be sure, but it is not a body blow or a bloody wound either.

To be too quick to jump 'the gun' or the 'censoring eliminating key' is to be an extremist who is/ are AFRAID to not be perfectly Politically Correct, by only one side's definitions and standards.

Hate and anger are displayed daily inside, outside, every side of any city, country, tribe - and wars DO NOT have to be fought because they exist. To have and elicit other opinions of what is "not nice," would be more appropriate than saying "you can only like who we like, say what we agree with only, and never show us any other views".

Hate is nothing exciting and new and to be feared unless we are already soooooo FEARFUL that every provocative display of anger, resentment, and attempt at insult and rebellion becomes 'a good reason' to shut us all down.

We do not need to see all the videos, dont need to, having seen similar acts of flag burning and stomping [ USA flag, burned in many different other countries] on evening TV news or movies. So what is new? Children have seen this more than once too. And the symbols [printed so cheaply usually] on flags as on pretty dresses and neckties are nothing more than designs in someone's imagination. Their demand to make it more, important and significant, which is personal or national or religious, but it is only giving THEM the excuse to direct what is 'good by us', what can be seen, known, admitted, and what not.

Do not succumb to either side's pressures to be on "their side" no matter who likes it or not. That is not being 'media'. We here need all kinds of reporting, and sharing of all kinds of information. The choosing only ONE position & point of view is biased and matter what topic, what side it is. wanna argue ?


(C) maryjanie 2008

sometimes we wonder....

Someone claimed this "Getting married cuts a man's weekly housework by about 1 hour but increases a woman's by 7". yep, it's probably TRUE. BUT WHO’S COUNTING ? We lose a man each time we question his 1/2.

"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." -Isaac Asimov.

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal.

fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

Reality is merely an illusion, Albeit, a persistant one.

Life is chaos, chaos is life! Control is an illusion!"

Sunday, August 3, 2008

War effects are not known by USAmerican young.

Nor do they want to know for real.

The deliberate ignor-ance of what it feels like to live within a war or a totalitarian society creates a false arrogance. As happens to those who live in the USA, Canada and northern Mexico in these last 150+ years .

The serious effects of war and the autocratic ruling of one’s homeland is not actually realized by these populations :
such as the traumatic dangers of physical maimings and real-life bullets,
the bloody painful rapes and tortures of civilians,
the enforced exiles and escapes,
the disappeared family members, the loss of family units, the loss of the men,
the deathly toll and total disruption of whatever assumptions there was of any normality in social life.
Life is not as watched on TV screens.

Most states & nations around the world have a deep knowledge of these war effects and yet it is not known if the leaders there take any greater care to avoid a repeat of these damaging effects. Central America has suffered thru many repressions, rebellions. dictators and ‘guerrilla’ wars. [ ‘guerilla’ definition= the diminutive of “guerra”= war ] The continents of Europe, Africa, Asia and what is euphemistically called “the middle east” from USA’s point of view have had many vicious turmoils. Whether within a stated country [read: country is that temporary government’s boundaries] or at their edges, war and ‘squirmishes’ result in the majority population living in fear.

Fear of the past conflicts resurging.

Fear of having to rigidly obey new rulers and their laws or be punished.

Fear of being suppressed and censored again.

Fear of never finding their dead relatives.

Fear of turning into a society with most of their men turned into the walking-damaged-dead. Fear of having few men to help families survive.

Fear of secret police and vicious surveillance.

Fear of everyone and anyone turning on the individual who wants to express some freedom, any ‘other’ thoughts, any alliances no allowed.

The younger generations of this fortunate and thus presumptive USA, called ‘generation X ‘, Y, Z and beyond, are sterilized in their emotions by the violence only watched on screens - that cause no pain or bleeding, no missing safety or security in their actual lives. The young are arrogant and take for granted that it will always be this way, in this ‘great land’ ....meaning the extensive large expanse of land mass that is labeled as one country.

So too in their northern country of Canada. So for a long while in the northern sections of Mexico, but not the lower regions of Chiapas and some segments where natives are denied their desire to not be ruled by the main governmental autocrats in what is called their “capital” for them. The sub-tribes, the regional races, the different groups with different languages and heritages are called “one country” because soldiers and wealth is accumulated into one main ‘political party’ [ which is not a party at all, but is one collected group keeping power and wealth in their closed fists. using weapons and laws to keep their ownership exclusive and away from any other groups under their temporary control] . No other version of ownership or rulership is ever allowed. Whether in Mexico, D.F. or Washington D.C., or Ottawa.

The USA youngsters like the killing they do, virtually on computer games, or engaged in fantasy movies /TV screens, and they revel in the illusion of being heroes and winners, while never ever being in actual physical danger or drafted into military killing and torturing machine groups. Living No War creates the false impression that ‘it can’t happen here, it can’t happen to us’..[.hopefully].

But many had parents or grandparents who did experience war World War II in Europe, in Maoist times in China [almost a continent in size by itself, it is again not a single entity except by government decree and military enforcement, not by affinity groups, languages, cultures, or native races]. Military sent far from USA lands to do whatever service it was labeled in Korea, Vietnam, and a few other shorter battlegrounds.

Africa has been in turmoil continually and currently is most media visible as internal wars with cruelty, and extensive inhuman damage to almost all who live in the various ‘countries’, [countries are formed by government groups that encompass many tribes and religious enclaves - who want to claim full control over others, not just to convert but to control...wealth and power, of course].

The regions that were Yugoslavia once are still in dispute over who owns whom and which group is entitled to kill or rule over another one. Running over one’s prior borders is also continual and dangerous all around the northern African regions, as well as Israel, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, et al....all or most of these ‘countries’ are using violence and temporary allies to enforce their positions. Korea, Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia, Srilanka and other South Asian ‘nations’ have constant rebellions of large ‘other’ internal groups trying to regrasp their ownership over the resources in their own areas.

International laws are conveniently made at points in history by nations that want to keep their borders intact - the same forever after - but only after taking over some other lands and peoples first. Then the laws are written to say “ do not take” and it is illegal to keep war-won adjacent lands. But that is after the boundaries are conveniently established by those rule-making bodies of governments, for any later wars and conquests. But not to question their own takings.

Look around, almost everywhere, but here and near here. And the DANGER is that the youth of “America”, meaning USAmerica and not all parts of this continent north or south, assume that war is just a GAME. To be played, to be watched, while being safe, to be waged without worry or pain or fear.

How can this spoiled youth of these latest generations that did ever not have food rationing, were not forced into military service and uniforms, and have been able to chose to disengage themselves from REALITY of the damages that bullying and killing causes - how can these young make ‘good choices’ politically ?

How can the young who all want to look tough and pretend they are strong and hope they can fight if need be, how can these kids chose a viable relevant president ? How can they know what they are doing when they vote ? If their parents have been ‘informed’ by television and movies that the children are the special prizes who get to disparage their elders and that the younger ones know ‘more’ & ‘better’ than their parents, and war-broken families ? We all may be in danger of this ignorance and deliberate pretense of ‘toughness’. The performance, the look of being well defended but not having been in a war zone.

The clothing fashion of wearing ‘sagging’ pants – copied from those who emerged from prison continued to wear - and thus the ‘toughness’ was displayed to insure that they would not be messed with, hopefully, is now worn so common by so many males that they appear to be prison-releases without the knowing of that violent lifestyle inside the walls. Or some are using their prison experiences to then excuse them from acting-out in violent reactions in defense and offense, but they also assume they ‘know’ about war itself. They don’t. The prisons in USA are not equivalent to those in more repressive countries where death and torture is much more common and never revealed.

The women also dress tough-like, to prove they are sexually desirable, and also tough ‘cookies’, sweet and yet available for sex to strong wealthy males. The similar intended effect is not just “I am capable of hurting anyone, so watch out !” but “come and try to use me, but pay up first” as prostitutes were advertising before the general youth population took over those displays of what body parts are available or for sale. No prudery or modesty is preferred, but blatant sexual advertising of the female body is displaying a street slut’s toughness too.

War forces mostly men to become killers, to lose their humanity by hurting and hating and losing all sense of their essential human ‘goodness’. War forces women into deep sadness, subservience, in service to the men who want sex with their violence to assuage their shock and guilt and emotional pains. Women are often reduced to becoming the workhorses for the war, so men can fight and hurt and kill and conquer more. Not like the Hollywood movies or Bollywood or Latin American soap opera drama prettify. War is painful for most. In so many ways.

The danger of war is that it can arrive here, not by “terrorists”coming in, but by our own USAmerican young being too sold on their consumerist desires and consumer debts. The danger of violence, not just individually in the poorer neighborhoods in crime and drug-induced intoxications, violence becomes falsely glorified, but never actually experienced in the mass destruction of wars that so many other people’s know.

The danger is that USA can allow itself, within all the different groups that exist within those federal governmental enforced boundaries, to be lured into making war the ‘taking’ of others in more distant lands , like Iraq has become, like Granada and Panama were, like parts of Vietnam and Korea became, like Japan and Germany were before, like the actual natives of these lands were also.

Taking as if what is the other’s is owed to us instead is a conquering war and the youth are advertised into believing that there is no cost or self-mutilation, so war is a good thing. Because they have never been in war. Because the young reject their parents and grandparents who actually experienced war and ruthless rulers. Because the young think falsely they are entitled to live in their virtual and fashionable fantasies and nothing bad could ever happen to them because they have been told erroneously that they are ‘special’.

War, death, damage, maiming, crippling, breaking of the human is real and has been waged and enforced for a very long time, in so many lands. To assume we in this USAmerica are safe on these shores, in this land, is not true. Not because someone ‘else’ wants to harm us. But because we have harmed them already and they want back what we have taken already, by military forces, by economic sleight of hand, by lies and movie images. We too need to know the reality of what war actually is and how hurtful it is to all who act it out and who are the civilian victims of the military, including the families of those who are soldiers of any kind.

The glamor of war needs to be punctured to picture it as the dangerous game that it really is played by owners of governmental leadership positions, regardless of what ‘party’ from which they superiorly claim to be. The young in these lands need to experience and acknowledge what their parents and elders have already learned and lost. To pretend that the USA IS SAFE and immune from the effects of wars elsewhere, [how far is “elsewhere” to be safe enough?] is to pretend we are not all living in this one world, called global, called one.

Even those who now are in military uniforms in open war areas like Iraq and Afghanistan are closer to the actual damaging effects - but compared to most other soldiers they are better equipped, armored, protected, and given later benefits that are intended to reduce the war damage in exchange for monetary goods and cheaper loans for purchases at home.

They engage in war and physical body dangers, and a few even get killed, but USA causalities are few in comparison to those whom the “Americans” exterminate, especially the civilians in those regions that have not been easily counted, plus the exiled from the war zones, and the suffering of loss of homes and normal lives in areas the US administration has chosen to “democraticize” or rather “invade”.

The war the other nationals experience in their vulnerable lives is not the same war as of the entering USA military in the same spaces. War in their homes, in their cities, on their streets, in their daily lives. They know war. We here in USA know very little by comparison. That is a big danger. Our youth are putting the rest of us all in danger. Because most of them don’t want to know more than the games of war.

Saturday, August 2, 2008

Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 9:51 PM

my letter about Cracking Code Pink in
"Why does the peace movement have to dress and act like an irritating children's birthday party?" By Cintra Wilson [2008-07-17]

Great article and I want to tell you why I appreciate the pinkie alure...

Code Pink is clever, daring, bold, courageous [similar but different qualities], artistic and effective in it's own maybe small way...but the quirkiness and childishness and playfull-ness is enticing. Rather than the same dark somber repetitious "ho ho ho" chants of old time leftie disparate prostestors who dont have any positive uplifting enjoyable claims to CHANGE THIS WORLD, Code Pink offers us a chuckle...a way to agree and join them to be part of this Game [serious & deadly, but a game nevertheless].

War is a game, as the men like to play it.Code Pink mosty but not all women, play ridiculous laughable games to show how dumb the destructive war machine games are.

Thanks for the exposure of the group I like best to join. I have given up after plenty of years of repetitious loud angry speeches, same-old poor-us stories, with no imagination or active solicitation included. Who wants to be dull and sullen and angry with 'them' ?

Better to laugh and be seen as foolish and still carry the same important message further ? In Los Angeles Code Pink performs and reports and encourages and comes OUT repeatedly...each time I am delighted, amazed and encouraged to join in when I can, and when not, tell others about their ways and antics.

It may be an "artistic thing" instead of just, only a hard-grey-rock-political thing thrown around. Instead of hurt, it is a sight gag, a delicious game of "can you see & hear me...I said Stop That Stupid guys !"

I agree, and bright fusia pink has always been my favorite color anyhow. Now I can wear with pride and more meanings.

Glow on pretty girls ! Let's show everyone our own kind of power..of play...of exhibiting our art & spirit & activism.